New From Fobus Holsters: GLOCK 43 ND Evolution OWB Holster. Let us know what you think in the comments section! I’ve never heard of them. Imagine, ( for example ) a 30 year house painter who didn’t know about painting with air compressor ! I’ve known about the Serbu for some time, and they seem pretty neat guns. * even without the vertical foregrip, it would still be an Any Other Weapon due to its smooth bore and, as you said, size that makes it capable of being concealed on your person (under 26″ OAL). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. At 3 yards, a ~12″-diameter spread was still achieved and all pellets were comfortably inside the lines. I always wanted to have one. Updated Serbu Super Shorty Review. I believe in that case the AR becomes a shoulder stock for the S-S and you’d need to register the S-S as an SBS. 16590. Worth noting, though, as it’s an easy thing to do with such a small, light, pistol-gripped shotgun. I don’t live in bear country so that is out. It was used as a snake gun. Same safety, same trigger, same action lock at the front of the trigger guard, same loading gate, etc. As for the “firearm” category into which those pistol-gripped, smooth-bore guns with OALs above 26″ fall, they would not be NFA-regulated even with a vertical forward grip since, again, that only applies to guns considered to be “pistols” or “revolvers” (handguns w/ rifled barrels). But the best thing I have found to do with it, BY FAR, is to offer to let a new shooter try it. It’s such a single purpose weapon that I’ve never bothered to buy one. Parkerized finish, 3 shot, with rear pistol grip and folding front grip. Meadows, firefighter and gun enthusiast reviews the Serbu Super Shorty. The .50 DTC is also available. Manufactured by Serbu Firearms in Tampa, Florida. (a) The provisions listed in Section 16590 do not apply to More fun than a barrel of monkeys — even if they bite your hands a bit — and a real head-turner at the range. And FWIW the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor, btw, aren’t AOWs or SBSs because they both have rifled barrels and can fire normal, single-projectile cartridges. Serbu Super Shorty Remington 870 6.5", 12GA. In reality… there’s no true soft with the Serbu… just gradations of discomfort. Is there some CA law to that effect? It’s possible to run the S-S with the foregrip folded, but it isn’t the design intention and it’ll abrade the bottom of the receiver a bit. SEE MORE. We had to go through a lengthy process to legalize ownership after the original owner passed away without transferring ownership through the $5 tax stamp. Thanks again. The American Gun culture has … I would only buy an AOW like this if your collection already has most of your other bases covered. Some states have copied those definitions from NFA into their own state laws, and so they also do not consider Serbu an SBS, but California isn’t one of them. A.J. AOWs are basically firearms that don’t fit into a box, such as pistols with foregrips and pen guns. My father has a similar sized, single shot .410 that is well over 70 years old. Where Serbu really comes in and makes functional changes is to the forend and action bars. The resulting firearm has an overall length of 26.5″, and hence it’s still not an AOW! Couldn’t imagine it getting any better with a tiny 870. It also handles buckshot quite well and the control is still manageable, so it’s not a bad choice for home defense. It hung up only once at the end of the shooting session which I chalk up to non-resized brass on my reloads in addition to a new shooter pulling the trigger. It locks firmly in vertical orientation, held in place by a stiff spring, and pulling down on it allows it to clear the locking notch and fold flat to get it out of the way. Note that all this (as well as Jeremy’s detailed explanation) pertains to Federal law only. The folding foregrip makes the pump-action faster and easier while stabilizing the firearm for more controlled shooting. States can and do ban or otherwise regulate SBS separately, and they may have their own definition of what it is, which is not necessarily identical to ATF’s. It’s a fun range toy and yes, I do let friends and family shoot it. Once Form 4s are available for 3-file, maybe it’ll get shorter. Better than average for a pump gun. The SUPER-SHORTY is based on a Mossberg Maverick (also available on Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 at additional cost) 12-gauge shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip. Accuracy: * * * * * or zero stars Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY … Suppose it depends on your own preference. There is no front bead or other sight on the S-S. My sample is built from a Remington 870 and, if you’re familiar with that shotgun (and you probably are), you’ll be right at home with the S-S. Overall: * * * *  The Typhoon 12 wasn’t built to directly compete with the likes of Black Aces Tactical’s ultra-tacti-cool $1300-$1600 pump shotties or SERBU’s Super-Shorty with limited 2+1 capacity. 0 1 2. I love a shotgun. Gloves wouldn’t be a bad idea, but a better idea would be reserving the slugs for when your friends ask to shoot the SUPER-SHORTY — and they will! Headlight and super shorty. A 20-gauge model is available on special order. Looks like a fair bit of gunsmithing (welding) and the like went into it to “stuff” so much in a small package to be sure. There was an incident of it ejecting the empty shell and the live one on deck, which I think was due to me rolling the gun onto its side too much while cycling the action back. This 6.5″ barrel version holds just 2 shells in the tube — whether 2.75″ or 3″ — while the 13.75″ barrel flavor holds 4. I bought one, after shooting it a few times I put a stock on it. I’ll believe it when I see it. I put 75 rounds of this birdshot through the S-S in one sitting and my hands were still mostly functional. If I’m not mistaken the specific attributes that make this an AOW are the vertical foregrip and the fact that it is both a shotgun and has a “concealable” length (ie under 26″ overall). The Ithaca is a bottom ejector and I’ve read that they feed and eject the 1.75″ Aguila mini shells fine. I think you’d be stuck with more like a 14″ barrel if you simply chopped it down to in front of the factory mag tube support. While tactical shotguns, in general, are experiencing a boom, this … After having some delivery problems with Serbu, a client mentioned Safety Harbor Firearms (SHF). Otherwise it’s a short, lightweight 870 with a vertical foregrip and that’s all good by me. While tactical shotguns, in general, are experiencing a boom, this small shotgun is truly something else. Sharp Shooting is my indoor range of choice around here because I’ve known the folks there for a long time and they’re top notch. Sure. On the fun front, it’s fun. BTW Peter W, I live in California and my FFL07/SOT02 is right up the road, AOWs are one of the only California legal NFA items. The end of the holster is open for the shotgun … Good luck, finding those is almost impossible, but if you could, you could own an SBS or SBR as a Californian. Ergonomics: * * * Your email address will not be published. Many aftermarket parts like upgrades for trigger, safety selector, loading gate, extractor, side saddles, etc will work on the S-S. A side saddle that includes a top rail would allow for a laser, reflex sight, or other optic…just don’t let it recoil into your face. If you keep the barrels long enough that this is not the case, then it is neither AOW nor a shotgun nor a pistol (nor, obviously, a rifle) – it’s classed simply as “weapon” by ATF, and doesn’t have any special regulations other than those applying to firearms in general. Mine holds 4+1 so it is a bit more practical, albeit it is also slightly longer than the Serbu. Plus, as it’s likely the shortest pump shotgun on the market, it may just fit in your briefcase. Pretty sure we can legally own these in CA. For suggestions, collaborations, or requests, contact [email protected], Your email address will not be published. Let’s clear something up right off the bat. Definitely. No worries. Period. I can attest to the shittiness of that pistol grip. There’s another neat hack along these lines: you take a not-shotgun-according-to-ATF shotgun (the one that was manufactured with a pistol grip), put the Raptor bird’s head grip on it, and then trim the barrel down to 14″. I’ve read repeatedly that shotguns with just a pistol grip are hard to aim and recoil is vicious. I’d actually practice with it. Ok, pretty cool weapon, but here’s where I get hung up. The plastic is hard and slick, and the shape manages to direct all of the recoil force into the web of your hand and the meaty part of your thumb there. Needs linked 12GA shot shells hanging down from underneath + buttstock. You can be a fruit ninja in the day and turn pro shooter at night. This is the same as the FAS1-SBD handgun safe with a holster designed to suppert your Serbu Super Shorty shotgun. Just look at those spread patterns…. ATF has allowed the transfer of SSS’s to CA residents from CA SOTs on Form 4’s and has allowed the making of SSS-type AOWs by CA residents on Form 1’s. We’re talking about firearms. 97, with an exposed hammer, that could be lowered. . IMHO, these are a terrible HD gun as you really can’t aim them, you can only point them. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/06/f3/50/06f35021ef68b7e7f865e7c5452a00eb.jpg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwlasVFx7fo. You’d do so if your state outright bans SBS, but doesn’t ban this kind of AOW. Are you a gun nut? Luckily, there’s no shortage of aftermarket options such as those from Hogue, Knoxx, and others. I gave them a try and found that they delivered when Serbu … There ain’t a lot of shotguns that’ll fit in a backpack, but the Serbu SUPER-SHORTY will perform the trick with room to spare. Wait, these are made here in Tampa? A Super-Shorty is both an unconventional pistol and an SBS in CA. Myself, I would like a folding stock that folds to the port side, so as not to interfere wit the ejection port etc. …The vertical foregrip puts a normal pistol (any normal handgun w/ rifled barrel) into the AOW category because it makes it so it’s no longer designed to be fired with one hand, which means it’s no longer technically a pistol. Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), as amended, and the regulations Hello! Home, office, or vehicle defense? Unlike a pistol, which is a Restricted Weapon, and thus must be in a safe or at the range. I remember describing the feeling of 00 buck with that thing as “Dolph Lundgren karate chopping between your thumb and index finger”. But that’s inflation for you. I also enjoy the fun shoots, and often do pistol accuracy targets there. Ooh! With the torturous pistol grip, I found the recoil best tamed by my left hand. This is the shortest shotgun on the market version, but they will make it longer at your request and the capacity goes up accordingly. As Sharp Shooting has its FFL-07 as well as SOT, they threw on a Knoxx SpecOps stock for R&D purposes and that definitely turned the S-S into a recoil pussy cat (seen in the video). Specifically: “short-barreled shotgun” means any of following: … a firearm that is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and has a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.”. It surely provides a piece of mind. Another thing to ponder, would you want to leave this thing laying around with the gun cocked, and a round in the chamber? To me, the recoil is negligible as the birdshead lets the recoil slide it through your hand a bit. In Canadia, one could put a stock on it and not have to worry about legal issues. It wouldn’t change the classification of the AR at all. The Serbu Super-Shorty is a compact, stockless, pump-action AOW chambered in 12-gauge (2¾ and 3"). Serbu Super Shorty Review Yes, this weapon is capable of fulfilling both above roles. Required fields are marked *. The Pachmayr Vindicator Presentation grip helps absorb some of the brutality. I don’t like the Sharp Shooters too much. I have a 6″ barrel Judge which I intend to open carry on January 1, 2016… because I can (then). Or to reach for when sleeping in a tent in the boonies and you hear something snuffling around outside. If I had a task of making this perfect, I’d ditch the pump and just make it double barrel (or triple… or quadruple… when barrels are this short the extra weight is not that big), so that you can unload it as fast as semi-auto. I am having a JC Higgins made into a super shorty,you can get away calling it a other gun if the pistol grip bolt is permanent made to the receiver(bolt welded in on the inside of receiver) as far as people talking about ,there are company’s that sell 21/4 shell in # 9-8-71/2 6-4 lead shot and i have some 21/4 that shoots 780 fps rubber ball at 6 per shell.A gun like this has one purpose =hom protection.Like in many of the responces ,the perso mentioned a max of 10 feet so there woulg br no reason to shoot slugs out of it,unless you reload your own as there is no reason to beat your self up,I have made 21/2 cast molded foster slugs with just enough powder to punch through 2 sheets of 3/4” drywall,now that is plenty,not much kick at all. Grips will be the popular replacement item, and there are plenty of options out there. Sure, 2+1 rounds may be a little limiting if you’re on Yogi’s pic-a-nic menu, and shooting slugs out of this thing may just hurt more than being mauled by a bear, but overall I still think it’s a practical application for the S-S. And longer-barreled versions do hold more shells. What isn’t so comfortable is the included pistol grip. We’ve recently seen new and exciting models like the Black Aces Tactical and the Mossberg Shockwave but there’s something unique about the Serbu Firearms shotgun. The Serbu Super Shorty shotgun was designed by Mark Serbu in the 1990s but has recently seen a rise in popularity. Thats the art i would prefer and an more ergonomic repeating grip on front + led light. The pattern on the Serbu probably opens up quicker than mine since it is a shorter barrel. Then its a 3+1 and your still putting out 11 pellets of #4 and #1 buck. SUPER-SHORTY holsters are back! Hickok has a video on this. It’s definitely a unique firearm but it’s also practical to own. At least it’s only a $5 stamp. While in Cabelas I saw a double short barrel shotgun with no stock.. So let’s see if I understand this correctly: If it’s a shotgun that was produced with a pistol grip and a barrel under 18″, it’s considered an AOW? The nice thing is that the Serbu can handle pretty much whatever cartridges you throw at it, the only question is whether or not you can handle the power of shooting slugs in such a small firearm. If Serbu makes an Ithaca shorty, it’d be able to hold five of those mini shells and that’s five shots of pretty formidable firepower when the whole package is taken into account. Win, win. The SUPER-SHORTY is based on a Mossberg Cruiser 12-gauge shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip. I understand what you’re saying here, and maybe the barrel ID is larger at 6.5″ than it is in a typical cylinder bore barrel, but I’ve shot a lot of shotguns and I’ve never seen shot spread this wide this fast before. It may not be easy to purchase one of these, but it’s worth the effort. The Super Shorty is among the most unique firearms on the market but I believe they serve a very functional purpose. I have seen purpose built double barreled 12 and 20 bore pistols back in the 60’s. This thing does not qualify as an SBS in at least some of them (Washington, for one), because it didn’t start its life with a stock, and hence is not considered a shotgun to begin with. Serbu does not pay $200 to make an AOW. © COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Designed to safely store your Serbu Super Shorty shotgun and allow very fast retrieval when needed. Yeah, if the NFA went away and I could pick one up and walk out the door with it, I’d probably buy one tomorrow. Flipping the grip from folded to vertical orientation is simple and rapid, requiring nothing more than rotating it downwards until it clicks. And does one have to go through the same ol’ red tape with an NFA item as an AOW, or can I go down to my LGS and after a 10 NICS check, walk out with it? I believe it is an H&R HandyGun. None of it makes any sense anyway. If money were no object I would love to own a lot of guns that “for me” are just out of my reach and don’t make $$$ sense–this is just such a case…I would much rather spend a Grand on something else but can totally get the attraction here. New In Box Serbu Super Shorty 12 gauge shotgun. Maybe do some one handed personal clay throwing. This little honey comes straight from the wonderfully demented mind of Mark Serbu, who appears to have been influenced by one Ricardo Tubbs from "Miami Vice". I’ve got two of the Mossberg versions. The prices have gone up on them quite a bit over the years, though. We’re not talking about shotguns in the purest, legal sense. First, yet again I need to thank Sharp Shooting Indoor Range & Gun Shop in Spokane, WA for assisting me with a review. That’s not true. Haven’t had to use it for anything but fun so far. Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and can be transferred with a $5 stamp! — or generally reserving them for when whatever’s on the other end of the shotgun is worse than the punishment the grip delivers to your hand. I have no idea how to rate the S-S for accuracy. But I’m not really interested in getting involved in that whole NFA mess. Looks fun, but a toy with no practical use. He built me that as a gator gun when I’m kayaking. But that’s not to say that the Serbu isn’t accurate, it’s actually surprisingly on target once you get the hang of it. So maybe it’s the short barrel and maybe it’s a larger ID (I didn’t measure), but it damn sure spreads out fast. SERBU SUPER-SHORTY. Does it really take another five or six hundred bucks, added to the $500 price of the original gun, to make this into what we are seeing? But I’m not aware of such a thing. Needs to be at least… the very least… semi-automatic. I live in Washington and Shorted Barreled Shotguns (SBS) are not legal here, but AOWs are. . It’s probably not practical, you would need to weld some kind of magazine well on to the receiver. At short distances, it’s Feinstein’s nightmare come true of a gun that can be shot from the hip and put lead on target. At 7 yards, birdshot escaped the sides of the torso silhouette, but not by much. In the immortal words of Yung Humma, they smanged it. I like that there’s a contributor from the Great Northwest The could have added another 3″ to the barrel and tube to get the capacity up to 4 rounds. A fire-breathing, midget dragon that just might have some practical purpose as well. (I have a private range on my property so I don’t worry about the gray area of what constitutes possession of letting someone else shoot it). That looks like a good time. Not enough to wait for the damn ATF paperwork though. Turn it 90 degrees and it looks like a nuke going off! I have not had a single person turn it down. The Super Shorty's were manufactured by Serbu by using Remington 870 and Mossberg 500's guns and configuring them to an AOW. Jeremy has explained it in detail, but the TL;DR version is that the only thing that makes it an AOW is that the overall length is under 26″. Trigger: * * * *  The only real draw back to a break action shotgun is that once you’ve fired your 2-3 shots you have to break it to reload. buy here. In the case of the S-S, the foregrip doesn’t change its classification one way or the other. they pay $1000/year for the SOT and therefore do not have to pay a tax to make each AOW on a Form 2. transfers from Serbu to the end-buyer incur a $5 tax on a Form 4. Now that’s the gun to answer a knock at the door at 2 am with. I suppose you could add the SIG brace, though. I don’t like it but I want one. prohibited by Section 33215. Wish I’d bought one way back when they were around $600ish. Let’s take a closer look and see what all the buzz is about.